Well this is an interesting twist...so is Widmore actually a "good" guy??It took me a bit to remember who the woman was questioning Locke on the beach, she was the cop who had Sayid in custody on the plane. So now we know that the 316 plane did in fact crash (because there are wounded survivors) and the Losties actually disappeared off of the jet when the white light occurred. Interesting that Ben is among the injured survivors and did not disappear with them...I guess that the Island only took peacefully the ones it really wanted. Like many of you guessed it would, the Island brought John back to life. It seems he is definitely meant to be there.
In the flashbacks we see Locke rescued by Widmore, who's now being portrayed much more friendly and pleasant than in the past. When Locke can't decide if he should trust him, Charles puts it plainly that he's never tried to kill John, something he can't say about Ben. Locke's interaction w/ Walt was the most interesting to me. Walt forsees in his dreams Locke on a beach in a suit surrounded by people who want to hurt him. I wonder what people those are? I wouldn't think the other crash survivors have anything against him. I'm assuming when he confronts Ben he'll just be like "oh I knew the Island would bring you back to life" or some crap like that.
Anyway, the driver getting shot was definitely a surprise, I figured it was Ben who pulled the trigger. As the scene in the motel room developed I guessed Ben would end up killing Locke, but it doesn't make sense to me why he tried to save him in the first place. And why did John fall for it?? Did he forget how Ben shot and left him for dead in the pit of Dharma corpses? It was an interesting twist though since last week it seemed he went through with the suicide with the note for Jack and everything.
What I'm still trying to figure out, though, is if Ben and Widmore are at war with each other, why did they both have the agenda of getting the Losties back to the island? Why did Ben pick up where Locke gave up and left off?
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I am thoroughly confused about who is on the side of "good", Ben or Widmore, but I suppose that is what the writers are going for. My assumption about why they are both pro-getting the losties back is that they are both pro-island and if the island wants them, the island wants them. It's just that they are on opposite sides of who they feel should be leading the others. I think somehow Widmore knows that Locke is supposed to be the leader now so he is helping him and Ben is trying to get on the island's good graces by getting everyone back.
Also, the only difference between when Ben was trying to save Locke and when he was trying to kill Locke was when he found out Locke knew about Hawking. Maybe Ben felt he needed to be the one that used Hawking to bring everyone back (to get on the island's good side) so he killed Locke to get him out of the way knowing full well that he would just come back to life anyways on the island.
Welcome David! :) Yeah I never thought that Ben might be sucking up to the Island, though I suppose he might have just been using the Losties to get back there himself. Does anyone remember why he left last season? Why he was the one who moved the Island instead of John?
At first I also wondered if Ben decided to kill John after he mentioned Eloise, but it does seem premeditated since he brought all that cleaning equipment...
Thank you for the warm welcome!
Yeah, he may have just been using the losties to get back to the island. Since it seems that the more of them that are on the plane at once, the more likely they will make the transition. But the Others always had ways on and off the island before (like the submarine). Is the reason why he couldn't just go get a submarine and go back this way cause he doesn't know where the island went and Eloise will only give him the way if he is also taking the losties? But we have now learned that the island is *always* moving.
The reason Ben left was cause he was moving the island to protect it from the possibility of more Widmore invaders from coming. I think he did it instead of Locke because the invaders were trying to take him alive so he was the only one who could get into the orchid station without being killed immediately. Though I don't remember how he scammed/escaped from them to go downstairs and do his thang.
And I was assuming that Ben just got the cleaning equipment after the murder. He either went out and bought it or assuming that is a hotel he may have just gone to the cleaning lady's closet and gotten the stuff.
Ben was filled with rage when he tricked John into letting him be the one to move the island. He had just witnessed the murder of his "daughter." I'm sure in his twisted little mind, he felt something toward her; whether it was a natural affection for an adoptive little girl, or some demented sense of possessing something so unlike himself (innocent, pure-hearted, loved and appreciated by the normal world) that he cherished her, you be the judge.
In any case, his design in returning to the world was 1st, to tell Widmore that because he "changed the rules," and killed his "daughter," Ben would exact an equal justice upon Widmore's daughter, Penny.
Someone earlier posited that Ben was all scuffed up as he returned to board the plane because he had gone to kill Penny before he left; so, his sprained or wounded arm may have been in a tussle with Desmond.
If he accomplished his task and if somehow the island managed to get Dez back to the island (probably as a repeat performance of how he arrived there too - in the sailboat on which he and Pen were living), one wonders about the maddening rage that will be within Dez upon waking up on the Island to discover that Ben is there too. Watch for this storyline in the near future. Penny may not be dead, but she and their son may well be victims of the overwhelming independent will of the Island (aka, Jacob).
Ben likely did know John would be revived on the Island; though, I doubt that will be an acceptable excuse. Ben either didn't know the identity of the person who would be able to help him return to the Island, and once he knew, felt no need to keep John around; or perhaps he knew Eloise, and didn't want John interfering with his manipulations of the "Foundies."
There is also the possibility that Ben knows of certain limitations, that if johns neck actually broke, he could not be revived, but a cutting off of the blood flow to his brain was something the island would automatically heal. Yeah, I know. It sounds like a a stretch, but I'm trying to figure it out just like everyone else.
Apparently, Ben's re-arrival on the island was not bound to be as smooth as the re-Losties, since his first arrival was nothing like theirs, and they were trying to reenact theirs.
What I am wondering is why Lapedis (sp?) would lead a bunch of people on boats to the main Island and leave John Locke on the beach behind. Maybe, since there were so many hurt in the plane crash, he went to find Dr. Jack Shepherd or one of the others he knew were still on the island and might be able to help.
BTW - sorta off topic, but every time someone says the name "Eloise," I expect to hear the last name "Kurtz" to follow. ALIAS lives on.
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Dude! LaFleur? LAFLEUR?!
Okay, hold on for that. That has to be huge, but I haven't found what I was looking for yet.
In my search for LaFleur, I discovered that the guy who stopped the car to help Ben's mom and dad right after he was born was none other than Horace. The woman with whom he was driving was likely the woman to whom he referred in tonight's episode about having to get over someone. Her name was Olivia, and she was a Teacher for the Dharma Initiative. What we saw tonight must have happened AFTER Ben arrived on the Island.
Before Ben met Richard beyond the pylons, Richard was very rough looking with long hair and scruff. We might logically conclude that what we saw last night happened after Ben started working with "the Others."
How interesting that it was Horace that appeared to John in the vision telling him how to find what he needed. It was Horace's corpse where that map was found in his pocket down in the mass grave.
But where have we seen the name "LaFleur" on a jump suit before? I know I have seen it somewhere in the show.
Another observation in my search. Ben was something special to the Island and was anointed as the leader of the Others. Now John is supposed to be special and the leader. Ben was a a premie by two months too soon. John was born premature also. Connection? Hmmm...
But, where have we heard or seen the name LaFleur before? I have sped through four episodes looking for flashbacks of the DI where there might have been someone by with a jumpsuit with that name on the pocket. It has to be there because I like trying to pronounce odd words, and when I see them in print, I try to pronounce them in my head. I remember trying with "LaFleur." but where?
Another interesting tidbit: By her sixth month on the Island, Juliet knew of Jacob, and that if he said he would accomplish the impossible, she should believe it. When Ben told her Jacob said he would cure her sister's cancer, Ben pressed her to stay by saying, "unless you don't have faith in HIM..." as she stood somewhat shocked at the news. All of the oddball stuff that has been going on with the Island, she has known something about Jacob, which she has not thought to share with the group.
I have been digging and reviewing for hours, and I can't find it. Anyone else know where the name "LaFleur" has been used in relation to Dharma in previous episodes?
If it were not 3:30 in the AM, I might keep digging, but I must quit for today.
Namaste', thank you, and good luck.
-R.
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